{"id":85114,"date":"2025-01-30T20:53:05","date_gmt":"2025-01-30T19:53:05","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/laindependent.cat\/?p=85114"},"modified":"2025-01-30T21:52:48","modified_gmt":"2025-01-30T20:52:48","slug":"entrevista-a-lescriptora-alicia-dujovne-ortiz","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/laindependent.cat\/es\/entrevista-a-lescriptora-alicia-dujovne-ortiz\/","title":{"rendered":"Entrevista a l&#8217;escriptora Al\u00edcia Dujovne Ortiz"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Per Adriana Pedrolo<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Periodista, novel\u00b7lista, bi\u00f2grafa, poeta, cr\u00edtica liter\u00e0ria i pintora resilient,&nbsp;<strong>Al\u00edcia Dujovne Ortiz<\/strong>&nbsp;ens va rebre al seu petit refugi parisenc fet de llibres i art, amb un somriure enorme i una mirada potent que ho indaga tot. Exiliada dues vegades, primer per la dictadura i despr\u00e9s pel &#8220;corralito&#8221;, aquesta argentina d&#8217;origen espanyol, genov\u00e8s i jueu ucra\u00efn\u00e8s ha dedicat 28 dels seus 30 llibres a dones i ens va confessar que el periodisme la va treure del seu tancament po\u00e8tic juvenil per interessar-la, d&#8217;un dia per sempre, en les hist\u00f2ries d&#8217;altres persones.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Per qu\u00e8 vas triar escriure biografies i novel\u00b7les, majorit\u00e0riament de dones? A m\u00e9s, sembla que les personalitats fortes, populars i controvertides t\u2019interessen especialment\u2026<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Tinc 30 llibres publicats i un en marxa. Hi ha una gran difer\u00e8ncia entre la biografia, on l\u2019autor o autora mant\u00e9 una dist\u00e0ncia respecte al seu personatge, i la novel\u00b7la hist\u00f2rica, on qui escriu t\u00e9 dret a entrar en els pensaments i sentiments d\u2019aquell personatge, a ficar-se dins la seva pell. He treballat en tots dos g\u00e8neres i he triat generalment dones com a protagonistes per una ra\u00f3 molt simple: les entenc millor que als homes.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Per\u00f2 tant en les meves biografies com en les meves novel\u00b7les, es tracta de dones amb una identitat doble, m\u00faltiple o dividida, amb la capacitat d\u2019arribar al l\u00edmit d\u2019elles mateixes. Dones extremes, tant si s\u00f3n guerreres \u2014com&nbsp;<strong>Anita Garibaldi<\/strong>&nbsp;o, en certa manera,&nbsp;<strong>Madama Lynch<\/strong>\u2014, prostitutes \u2014com&nbsp;<strong>Mireya<\/strong>, la francesa, o&nbsp;<strong>Myriam<\/strong>, la polonesa\u2014, una espia sovi\u00e8tica com&nbsp;<strong>\u00c0frica de les Heras<\/strong>, o una santa irreverent com&nbsp;<strong>Teresa de Jes\u00fas<\/strong>.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Per qu\u00e8 escollir personatges reals en comptes d\u2019inventar-los? Doncs perqu\u00e8 en m\u00e9s d\u2019un cas s\u00f3n elles les que em trien a mi, vull dir que les seves hist\u00f2ries em desperten resson\u00e0ncies (diferents de la meva, per\u00f2 compartim l\u2019experi\u00e8ncia de l\u2019exili). A m\u00e9s, aquestes hist\u00f2ries superen el que jo mateixa podria inventar. Per dir-ho amb franquesa, no tinc imaginaci\u00f3 per a la trama, i entrar en vides ja viscudes em proporciona un doble plaer: el d\u2019escriure (tinc una escriptura hedonista) i el d\u2019investigar.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">L\u2019exercici amb el llenguatge s\u2019afegeix a la tasca de rebuscar darrere del relat oficial, de desxifrar all\u00f2 que s\u2019ha amagat. A m\u00e9s, anomenar-les novel\u00b7les no implica que continguin elements imaginaris: la imaginaci\u00f3 es troba en les paraules, en les escenes, per\u00f2 la recerca en arxius o viatjant per veure la realitat de prop no difereix de la que faig per a una biografia.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image aligncenter size-large is-resized\"><img fetchpriority=\"high\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"667\" height=\"1000\" src=\"https:\/\/laindependent.cat\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/01\/entrevista-2-667x1000.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-85118\" style=\"width:515px;height:auto\" srcset=\"https:\/\/laindependent.cat\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/01\/entrevista-2.jpg 667w, https:\/\/laindependent.cat\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/01\/entrevista-2-200x300.jpg 200w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 667px) 100vw, 667px\" \/><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong> Vas escriure\u00a0<em>Eva Per\u00f3n. La biograf\u00eda<\/em>\u00a0(1995, Aguilar) i una novel\u00b7la,\u00a0<em>La procesi\u00f3n va por dentro<\/em>\u00a0(2019, Marea) tamb\u00e9 sobre Evita. Vas fer una biografia de Maradona,\u00a0<em>Maradona soy yo<\/em>\u00a0(1993, Emec\u00e9), i vas tenir una mena d'&#8221;encounter del tercer tipus&#8221; amb la referent social juje\u00f1a Milagro Sala (<em>Milagro<\/em>, 2020, Marea). Qu\u00e8 et va moure a escriure aquests llibres?<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Mai podria escriure sobre personatges acomodats en una butaca c\u00f2moda que creuen seva, en una casa i un pa\u00eds que, segons ells, tamb\u00e9 els pertany. No oblidem que soc filla d\u2019una escriptora feminista,\u00a0<strong>Al\u00edcia Ortiz<\/strong>, que en casar-se amb un jueu comunista va trencar amb tot el seu entorn social, ni que el meu pare,\u00a0<strong>Carlos Dujovne<\/strong>, va ser un agent sovi\u00e8tic que el 1928 va arribar a Montevideo per organitzar el\u00a0<strong>Bur\u00f3 Sud-americ\u00e0 de la Internacional Sindical Roja<\/strong>\u00a0a Brasil, Xile, Bol\u00edvia i Per\u00fa. Tots dos van deixar el Partit Comunista el 1946 a causa de l\u2019estalinisme.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Crec que per tot aix\u00f2 no vaig ser educada com una nena convencional. Tornant als personatges que entenc,&nbsp;jo entenc&nbsp;millor les dones que els homes i, entre elles, les marginals o les rebels, m\u00e9s que les de vides planes, contra les quals no tinc res, per\u00f2 amb qui no em puc identificar.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Tamb\u00e9 vaig escriure sobre els\u00a0cartoners, perqu\u00e8 la meva experi\u00e8ncia d\u2019exiliada a Par\u00eds, on vaig arribar sola i sense diners amb una filla de tretze anys, em va permetre entendre qu\u00e8 significa viure al dia, com els gitanos. El que m\u2019agrada d\u2019<strong>Evita<\/strong>\u00a0(no tot m\u2019agrada d\u2019ella, per\u00f2 aix\u00f2 s\u00ed) \u00e9s la seva capacitat intacta de rebel\u00b7lia, la mateixa que tenia\u00a0<strong>Maradona<\/strong>\u00a0o\u00a0<strong>Milagro<\/strong>. Tots tres van millorar la seva vida, d&#8217;una manera o una altra, per\u00f2 cap d\u2019ells es va aburgesar. La burgesia est\u00e0 en el cap i el d\u2019ells va seguir lliure.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>L\u2019any 1978, la intervenci\u00f3 i el tancament del diari\u00a0<em>La Opini\u00f3n<\/em>\u00a0que dirigia Jacobo Timerman a Buenos Aires van precipitar el teu exili a Fran\u00e7a en plena dictadura. Quin tipus de periodisme vas trobar all\u00e0 i en qu\u00e8 es diferenciava del periodisme argent\u00ed dels anys 70?<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Vaig decidir exiliar-me tot i que mai vaig militar en cap partit (com si hagu\u00e9s estat vacunada de naixement per la decepci\u00f3 hist\u00f2rica dels meus pares). El cop final me\u2019l va donar\u00a0<strong>Hugo Ezequiel Lezama<\/strong>, nomenat per\u00a0<strong>Massera<\/strong>\u00a0com a director del diari\u00a0<em>Convicci\u00f3n<\/em>.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Pel que fa al periodisme franc\u00e8s, em va semblar intel\u00b7ligent per\u00f2 superficial. Escrivia ressenyes de llibres llatinoamericans, que estaven de moda als anys 80, per\u00f2 em demanaven que expliqu\u00e9s l\u2019argument i en fes venir ganes de llegir-los, cosa que contrastava amb els nostres criteris m\u00e9s rigorosos de cr\u00edtica a l&#8217;Argentina.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Despr\u00e9s de tants arrelaments i desarrelaments, quina \u00e9s la teva veritable p\u00e0tria?<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">La meva inf\u00e0ncia va ser una p\u00e0tria dif\u00edcil. No a moltes nenes de quatre anys la seva mare les porta a veure com la policia crema els llibres de l\u2019editorial fundada pel seu pare, o a visitar el seu pare a la pres\u00f3.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Per \u00faltim, quins s\u00f3n els teus projectes actuals?<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Estic escrivint un petit &#8220;assaig personal&#8221; sobre la\u00a0<strong>Gioconda<\/strong>\u00a0titulat\u00a0<em>Els noms de la mare<\/em>, un homenatge a la meva mare. Aix\u00ed mantinc el meu cervell actiu i em permeto el plaer d\u2019intentar entendre m\u00e9s coses.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<hr class=\"wp-block-separator has-alpha-channel-opacity\"\/>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Resili\u00e8ncia art\u00edstica<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Durant el confinament i despr\u00e9s d\u2019una hospitalitzaci\u00f3 complicada,\u00a0<strong>Al\u00edcia Dujovne Ortiz<\/strong>\u00a0va passar de la ploma als pinzells\u00a0&#8220;per fer-li un botifarra a la mort&#8221;. D\u2019aquesta aventura en va resultar una exposici\u00f3 art\u00edstica l&#8217;abril de 2024 a la Galeria de l\u2019Ambaixada Argentina a Par\u00eds, titulada\u00a0&#8220;Autoretrats Animals&#8221;.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Alicia Dujovne Ortiz<\/strong>, una cronista de dos mons, enamorada de la naturalesa, ha compr\u00e8s que\u00a0l&#8217;humanocentrisme est\u00e0 en declivi\u00a0i que la terra i les seves guardianes m\u00e9s aguerrides, les dones, s\u00f3n el futur.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><br>Font: Diario Digital Femenino, Argentina<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Per Adriana Pedrolo Periodista, novel\u00b7lista, bi\u00f2grafa, poeta, cr\u00edtica liter\u00e0ria i pintora resilient,&nbsp;Al\u00edcia Dujovne Ortiz&nbsp;ens va rebre al seu petit refugi parisenc fet de llibres i art, amb un somriure enorme i una mirada potent que ho indaga tot. 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