{"id":54068,"date":"2010-11-02T12:36:44","date_gmt":"2010-11-02T11:36:44","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/laindependent.cat\/veus-en-lesglesia-catolica-defenen-la-paritat-entre-dones-i-homes\/"},"modified":"2010-11-02T12:36:44","modified_gmt":"2010-11-02T11:36:44","slug":"veus-en-lesglesia-catolica-defenen-la-paritat-entre-dones-i-homes","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/laindependent.cat\/es\/veus-en-lesglesia-catolica-defenen-la-paritat-entre-dones-i-homes\/","title":{"rendered":"Veus a l\u2019esgl\u00e9sia cat\u00f2lica defensen la paritat entre dones i homes"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><span style=\"font-family: trebuchet ms,geneva; font-size: 10pt;\"><b>Divendres 5, a les set de la tarda, es far\u00e0 una preg\u00e0ria a l&#8217;esgl\u00e9sia del Pi de Barcelona i es llegir\u00e0 un manifest per a una Esgl\u00e9sia parit\u00e0ria, comunit\u00e0ria i ecum\u00e8nica. <br \/><\/b><\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">\u00a0<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: trebuchet ms,geneva; font-size: 10pt;\">L\u2019arribada del Papa Benet XVI a Barcelona es compta ja per dies, i aviat per hores. Als balcons del centre de la ciutat s\u2019hi comencen a veure les primeres banderes i missatges de salutaci\u00f3. Els balcons prenen el relleu a l\u2019allau de declaracions p\u00fabliques sobre la visita durant les darreres setmanes. El posicionament d\u2019alguns grups laics i feministes s\u2019expressa amb esl\u00f2gans com&nbsp; \u201cJo no t\u2019espero\u201d o \u201cLes dones no t\u2019esperem\u201d. <\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: trebuchet ms,geneva; font-size: 10pt;\">A  la mateixa esgl\u00e9sia, dins la comunitat de persones creients, tamb\u00e9 hi  ha veus cr\u00edtiques que imaginen una esgl\u00e9sia m\u00e9s parit\u00e0ria, comunit\u00e0ria i  ecum\u00e8nica. Associacions com el <a href=\"http:\/\/www.donesesglesia.cat\/\">Col\u00b7lectiu de Dones en l\u2019Esgl\u00e9sia<\/a> (CDE) i <a href=\"http:\/\/www.esglesiaplural.cat\/\">Esgl\u00e9sia plural<\/a>, entre altres, han convocat una preg\u00e0ria el divendres dia 5 a les set de la tarda a l&#8217;Esgl\u00e9sia del Pi.&nbsp; <\/span><span style=\"font-family: trebuchet ms,geneva; font-size: 10pt;\">L\u2019acte finalitzar\u00e0 amb la lectura d\u2019un  manifest en qu\u00e8 es reivindicar\u00e0 el sacerdoci de les dones i es  denunciar\u00e0 el sistema piramidal de la jerarquia cat\u00f2lica. La Independent  ha parlat amb <strong>Neus Forcano<\/strong>, mestra d\u2019institut, membre del CDE i impulsora de l&#8217;Escamot Magdala.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: trebuchet ms,geneva; font-size: 10pt;\"> <\/p>\n<p><!--more--><\/p>\n<p><\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">\u00a0<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: trebuchet ms,geneva; font-size: 10pt;\"><b>Jaume Abadal (JA<\/b>)- <b>Qu\u00e8 pensa quan des de grups feministes fan servir l\u2019esl\u00f2gan \u201cles dones no t\u2019esperem\u201d?<\/b><\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: trebuchet ms,geneva; font-size: 10pt;\"><b> <\/b><\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: trebuchet ms,geneva; font-size: 10pt;\"><b>Neus Forcano (NF).-<\/b> Ho entenc! Jo em sento dins la lluita feminista. Si he de parlar en nom del col\u00b7lectiu al qual pertanyo, nosaltres el saludem amb respecte. Dubto&nbsp; que aquesta visita serveixi per unir els diferents grups que formem l&#8217;Esgl\u00e9sia. \u00c9s una visita de cap d\u2019Estat.<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: trebuchet ms,geneva; font-size: 10pt;\"><br \/><\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: trebuchet ms,geneva; font-size: 10pt;\"><b> <\/b><\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: trebuchet ms,geneva; font-size: 10pt;\">Fa vint-i-cinc anys, un grup de dones \u2013monges i laiques que treballaven en organitzacions cat\u00f2liques o en grups de base de l\u2019Esgl\u00e9sia- van crear una associaci\u00f3, el&nbsp; Col\u00b7lectiu de Dones en l\u2019Esgl\u00e9sia (CDE). El CDE \u00e9s un grup heterogeni. Hi ha des de dones de setanta anys fins a joves de poc m\u00e9s de vint. Segons un fullet\u00f3 de presentaci\u00f3 del col\u00b7lectiu, \u00e9s un grup de reflexi\u00f3 \u201ci tamb\u00e9 d\u2019acci\u00f3, conscient de la import\u00e0ncia que t\u00e9, o hauria de tenir, per a la comunitat eclesi\u00e0stica, l&#8217;aportaci\u00f3 femenina per a poder enriquir-la, en igualtat de condicions que el bar\u00f3 i amb el dret que ens d\u00f3na la nostra pertinen\u00e7a al Poble de D\u00e9u\u201d.<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">\u00a0<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: trebuchet ms,geneva; font-size: 10pt;\"><b>JA.-<\/b> <b>Qu\u00e8 us va impulsar a crear el col\u00b7lectiu?<\/b><\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: trebuchet ms,geneva; font-size: 10pt;\">NF- A mitjans dels anys 80, a Catalunya, es va produir un debat important sobre quin havia de ser el futur de l\u2019Esgl\u00e9sia el segle XXI. Quan en aquests debats pos\u00e0vem sobre la taula la situaci\u00f3 de la dona a l\u2019Esgl\u00e9sia, tot i que des dels sectors progressistes reconeixien que calia parlar-ne, se\u2019ns deia que no era el moment, que hi havia altres temes, m\u00e9s importants, com la pobresa. La resposta era &#8220;aparquem el tema&#8221;. <br \/><\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">\u00a0<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: trebuchet ms,geneva; font-size: 10pt;\"><b>JA.-<\/b> <b>El CDE parla de paritat entre dones i homes a l\u2019Esgl\u00e9sia. Qu\u00e8 hem d\u2019entendre per paritat?<\/b><\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: trebuchet ms,geneva; font-size: 10pt;\">NF.- Igualtat. Igualtat de tracte, de consideraci\u00f3 i de dignitat entre dones i homes. Per\u00f2 la igualtat s\u2019ha d\u2019emmarcar en els reptes de la pobresa, l\u2019exclosi\u00f3, la vida quotidiana, el treball, la sexualitat, l\u2019educaci\u00f3, la ci\u00e8ncia, etc.<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">\u00a0<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: trebuchet ms,geneva; font-size: 10pt;\"><b>JA- Han de poder ser ordenades sacerdots les dones?<\/b><\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: trebuchet ms,geneva; font-size: 10pt;\">NF.- Per qu\u00e8 no? Si aquest es el teu carisma!&nbsp; <\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">\u00a0<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: trebuchet ms,geneva; font-size: 10pt;\"><b>JA.- Hi deu haver q\u00fcestions teol\u00f2giques que ho impedeixen&#8230;<\/b><\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: trebuchet ms,geneva; font-size: 10pt;\">NF.- Aix\u00f2 \u00e9s discutible. Hi ha una aproximaci\u00f3 feminista a la teologia. L\u2019any que ve, el 2011, es reunir\u00e0 a Salamanca la <a href=\"http:\/\/www.eswtr.org\/\">Societat Europea de Dones en Recerca Teol\u00f2gica<\/a> (European Society of Women in Theological Research). L\u2019ESWTR \u00e9s l\u2019organisme acad\u00e8mic que agrupa les m\u00e9s prestigioses te\u00f2logues europees. L\u2019actual vicepresidenta de l\u2019ESWTR \u00e9s la monja benedictina catalana <b>Teresa Forcades<\/b>, autora del llibre <em>La teologia feminista en la hist\u00f2ria<\/em>.<i> <\/i>En aquest congr\u00e9s hi podrem escoltar moltes veus de dones amb arguments teol\u00f2gics que&nbsp; obren&nbsp; camins a interpretacions diferents de les que sovint es donen per suposades<br \/><\/span><\/p>\n<p><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><strong><span style=\"font-family: trebuchet ms,geneva; font-size: 10pt;\">Dones i esglesia: un moviment sense fronteres<\/span><\/strong><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: trebuchet ms,geneva; font-size: 10pt;\">La veu de les dones que pensen que \u00e9s possible una nova relaci\u00f3 entre dones i homes a l\u2019Esgl\u00e9sia ressona de manera expl\u00edcita en algunes associacions internacionals. Els anys 70,&nbsp; als Estats Units es crea Catholics for Choic (Cat\u00f2liques pel dret a decidir), que treballa en defensa dels drets morals i legals de les dones, amb reflexions i campanyes sobre sexualitat, reproducci\u00f3 i salut. A mitjans dels anys 90 neix a Europa l\u2019International Movement We are Church&nbsp; (IMWAC) (Moviment Nosaltres som Esgl\u00e8sia), comprom\u00e8s en la renovaci\u00f3 de l\u2019esgl\u00e9sia cat\u00f2lica d\u2019acord amb els principis del Concili Vatic\u00e0 II. L&#8217;organitzaci\u00f3 \u00e9s present&nbsp; en una vintena de pa\u00efsos, tamb\u00e9 a Catalunya amb el nom <a href=\"http:\/\/www.somesglesia-cat.org\/\">Som Esgl\u00e9sia<\/a>. Una darrera refer\u00e8ncia: el Women&#8217;s Ordination Worldwide <b>(<\/b>WOW) (Ordenaci\u00f3 de Dones arreu del M\u00f3n). Es funda en el marc del I S\u00ednode Europeu de Dones com una organitzaci\u00f3 de caire ecum\u00e8nic i que t\u00e9 com un dels objectius que l\u2019esgl\u00e9sia cat\u00f2lica admeti el sacerdoci de les dones.<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">\u00a0<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: trebuchet ms,geneva; font-size: 10pt;\"><b>JA.- Quines altres coses haurien de canviar a l\u2019Esgl\u00e9sia?<\/b><\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: trebuchet ms,geneva; font-size: 10pt;\">NF.- Creiem que \u00e9s possible una aproximaci\u00f3 a l\u2019Evangeli que ens condueixi cap una esgl\u00e9sia m\u00e9s comunit\u00e0ria, menys jer\u00e0rquica i m\u00e9s ecum\u00e8nica, que cregui en la corresponsabilitat de totes les persones que l\u2019integren i en la igualtat de g\u00e8nere.<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">\u00a0<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: trebuchet ms,geneva; font-size: 10pt;\"><b>JA.- Des del la\u00efcisme, es considera que la religi\u00f3 s\u2019ha de restringir a l\u2019\u00e0mbit privat.<\/b><\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: trebuchet ms,geneva; font-size: 10pt;\">NF.- No hi estic d\u2019acord. Vull intervenir en la marxa del m\u00f3n. No em puc dividir&nbsp; en dues persones. Les persones creients han de poder tenir veu p\u00fablica. El que accepto \u00e9s que s\u2019ha de participar en el debat p\u00fablic sense cap privilegi especial.<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">\u00a0<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: trebuchet ms,geneva; font-size: 10pt;\"><b>JA.- Qu\u00e8 \u00e9s l\u2019Escamot Magdala?<\/b><\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: trebuchet ms,geneva; font-size: 10pt;\">NF.- L\u2019Escamot Magdala va n\u00e9ixer a Barcelona l\u2019any 2003 durant el&nbsp; II S\u00ednode Europeu de Dones. Aquella trobada va tenir un impacte molt gran en les joves que hi vam participar. \u00c9rem d\u2019una altra generaci\u00f3, diferent de la de les dones en l\u2019esgl\u00e9sia que van viure i protagonitzar l\u2019experi\u00e8ncia transformadora del Concili Vatic\u00e0 II de mitjans dels anys 60. La nostra viv\u00e8ncia com a dones en l\u2019Esgl\u00e9sia s\u2019havia anat formant en un entorn diferent, m\u00e9s obert.<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: trebuchet ms,geneva; font-size: 10pt;\"><br \/><\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: trebuchet ms,geneva; font-size: 10pt;\"><b> <\/b><\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: trebuchet ms,geneva; font-size: 10pt;\">Set-centes dones creients de tot Europa es van reunir l\u2019any 2003  a la Universitat Aut\u00f2noma de Barcelona en el II S\u00ednode Europeu de Dones, sota el lema \u201cAtrevir-nos a viure la diversitat\u201d. L\u2019esdeveniment era un reconeixement i va significar un impuls al treball en l\u2019esgl\u00e9sia de dones com <b>Sefa Amell<\/b>, <b>Maria Lluisa Regard<\/b> i d\u2019altres. Llegint avui el programa de xerrades i tallers del S\u00ednode podem imaginar que l\u2019estiu del 2003 va deixar una marca inesborrable de llibertat en l\u2019esperit de les persones que hi van participar.<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">\u00a0<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: trebuchet ms,geneva; font-size: 10pt;\"><strong>Lideatge dif\u00fas. Opinions clares.<\/strong><br \/><\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: trebuchet ms,geneva; font-size: 10pt;\">El debat dones i Esgl\u00e9sia a Catalunya&nbsp; es condueix amb un lideratge dif\u00fas. Es prefereix la pluralitat, la diversitat d\u2019experi\u00e8ncies i el respecte per l\u2019experi\u00e8ncia vital de cada persona. \u00c9s un col\u00b7lectiu poc propens a fer manifestos, tot i que s\u2019ha pronunciat sense embuts quan ho han cregut oport\u00fa. El maig del 2010 el CDE va presentar un document sobre les acusacions de peder\u00e0stia a membres de l\u2019Esgl\u00e9sia per casos de peder\u00e0stia. En destaquem nom\u00e9s el darrer punt: \u201cTot aquest desgraciat afer s\u2019ha mogut dins del m\u00f3n dels homes, que han ignorat, una vegada m\u00e9s, l\u2019exist\u00e8ncia de v\u00edctimes nenes\u201d.<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: trebuchet ms,geneva; font-size: 10pt;\"><br \/><\/span><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Divendres 5, a les set de la tarda, es far\u00e0 una preg\u00e0ria a l&#8217;esgl\u00e9sia del Pi de Barcelona i es llegir\u00e0 un manifest per a una Esgl\u00e9sia parit\u00e0ria, comunit\u00e0ria i ecum\u00e8nica. \u00a0 L\u2019arribada del Papa Benet XVI a Barcelona es 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