{"id":70341,"date":"2022-11-10T16:44:22","date_gmt":"2022-11-10T15:44:22","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/laindependent.cat\/qargentina-1985q\/"},"modified":"2023-03-18T12:31:39","modified_gmt":"2023-03-18T11:31:39","slug":"qargentina-1985q","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/laindependent.cat\/en\/qargentina-1985q\/","title":{"rendered":"&#8220;Argentina, 1985&#8221;"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Pablo Gershanik.&nbsp;@Daniele Finzi Pasca<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Entrevista amb Pablo Gershanik a partir de la pel\u00b7l\u00edcula Argentina, 1985 (director Santiago Mitre, 2022)<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<!--more-->\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Mar\u00eda Estela Mart\u00ednez Cartas de Per\u00f3n<\/strong> va ser vicepresidenta de l&#8217;Argentina durant l&#8217;\u00faltim per\u00edode presidencial de <strong>Juan Domingo Per\u00f3n<\/strong>, el seu marit i despr\u00e9s de la seva mort l&#8217;1 de juliol de 1974, va assumir la presid\u00e8ncia que va finalitzar amb el cop d&#8217;estat a l&#8217;Argentina el 24 de mar\u00e7 de 1976. El cop va instal\u00b7lar en el poder a una dictadura militar que va implementar un pla sistem\u00e0tic de terrorisme d&#8217;Estat amb desaparicions, tortures i m\u00e8todes nazis de repressi\u00f3 i que va romandre en el poder fins a desembre de 1983. <strong>Jorge Rafael Videla<\/strong> (1925-2013) va ser el militar i dictador argent\u00ed que va liderar el govern militar entre 1976 i 1983.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Ra\u00fal Alfons\u00edn<\/strong> (1927-2009) va assumir el c\u00e0rrec de president de la Naci\u00f3 el 1983, despr\u00e9s de guanyar les eleccions liderant la Uni\u00f3 C\u00edvica Radical (UCR) i vencent a <strong>\u00cdtalo Luder<\/strong>, del Partit Justicialista (PJ). Es donava aix\u00ed per finalitzada l&#8217;atro\u00e7 i sagnant dictadura militar. Alfons\u00edn, que va ser president fins a 1989, va propiciar el judici contra els nou alts oficials de les Forces Armades que van integrar les successives juntes militars que van governar l&#8217;Argentina des del cop d&#8217;estat del 24 de mar\u00e7 de 1976.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">La pel\u00b7l\u00edcula de <strong>Santiago Mitre<\/strong>, amb un excel\u00b7lent <strong>Ricardo Dar\u00edn<\/strong> al capdavant encarnant al fiscal <strong>Julio Strassera<\/strong>, relata aquest judici, des de l&#8217;inici fins al seu desenlla\u00e7 el 9 de desembre de 1985 quan despr\u00e9s de dos anys i enmig d&#8217;una enorme expectaci\u00f3 nacional i internacional, ja que per primera vegada un pa\u00eds enjudiciava als responsables d&#8217;una dictadura que va dilapidar els drets humans, la <em>C\u00e1mara Nacional de Apelaciones en lo Criminal y Correccional Federal de Buenos Aires<\/em> va dictar les sent\u00e8ncies: <strong>Jorge Rafael Videla<\/strong> i <strong>Emilio Massera<\/strong> van ser condemnats a cadena perp\u00e8tua; <strong>Roberto Viola, Armando Lambruschini<\/strong> i<strong> Orlando Agosti<\/strong> van ser sentenciats a disset, vuit i quatre anys i mig de pres\u00f3 respectivament; <strong>Omar Graffigna, Leopoldo Galtieri, Jorge Anaya <\/strong>i<strong> Basilio Lami Dozo<\/strong> van ser absolts.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image\"><img fetchpriority=\"high\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"224\" height=\"336\" src=\"https:\/\/laindependent.cat\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/11\/argentina_1985.jpg\" alt=\"Argentina 1985\" class=\"wp-image-38953\" srcset=\"https:\/\/laindependent.cat\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/11\/argentina_1985.jpg 224w, https:\/\/laindependent.cat\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/11\/argentina_1985-200x300.jpg 200w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 224px) 100vw, 224px\" \/><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Hauria d&#8217;haver-hi moltes m\u00e9s pel\u00b7l\u00edcules sobre aquest horror cruel que causa un dolor profund en la hist\u00f2ria argentina. A <em>Argentina, 1985<\/em> del director Santiago Mitre, potser li falta profunditat i li sobren alguns moments c\u00f2mics o alleugerits, potser realitzats amb la idea d&#8217;arribar a tots els p\u00fablics i poder aix\u00ed explicar uns fets terribles sense fer que la pel\u00b7l\u00edcula sigui traum\u00e0tica o avorrida. A banda d&#8217;aix\u00f2, la trama i&nbsp;les complexitats del judici estan ben tra\u00e7ades i&nbsp;i&nbsp;les actuacions s\u00f3n molt encertades, excel\u00b7lent en el cas de Ricardo Dar\u00edn que capta molt b\u00e9 com fer evolucionar el personatge del fiscal Julio Strassera des de la por i l&#8217;escepticisme inicials fins al convenciment i efectivitat del seu discurs final.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>La Independent<\/strong> entrevista a<strong> Pablo Gershanik<\/strong>, actor, director, pedagog teatral i creador de la metodologia de les <a href=\"https:\/\/maquetasintimas.com\/laboratorios\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Maquetes \u00cdntimes<\/a>, un laboratori per a &#8220;revisitar&#8221; esdeveniments dif\u00edcils de la nostra experi\u00e8ncia amb una mirada l\u00fadica, panor\u00e0mica i resilient, utilitzant eines est\u00e8tiques i de representaci\u00f3.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Quina era la teva situaci\u00f3 personal i la de la teva fam\u00edlia en el moment del cop militar de mar\u00e7 de 1976?<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Val la pena dir que el cop d&#8217;estat de 1976 formalitza, de facto, la repressi\u00f3 il\u00b7legal que comen\u00e7a a l&#8217;Argentina bastant temps abans. M\u00faltiples esdeveniments, a partir del retorn de Per\u00f3n l&#8217;any 1973, ho mostren: La massacre d&#8217;Ezeiza, el fet d&#8217;accionar les forces para-policials i paramilitars com la Triple A (Alian\u00e7a Anticomunista Argentina) i la CNU (Concentraci\u00f3 Nacional Universit\u00e0ria). En el nostre cas, l&#8217;assassinat del meu pare, el Dr. <strong>Mario Gershanik<\/strong>, metge pediatre i militant del Partit Revolucionari dels Treballadors (PRT), a l&#8217;abril de 1975 a les mans d&#8217;un comando conjunt CNU-Triple A, va determinar la nostra sortida del pa\u00eds, a l&#8217;exili a M\u00e8xic, el juny de 1975.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Com es creix descobrint l&#8217;atrocitat personal soferta i el mal causat a tot un pa\u00eds pels responsables de la dictadura militar?<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Diu el poeta <strong>C\u00e9sar Vallejo<\/strong>: &#8220;Hi ha cops en la vida&#8230; Jo no s\u00e9!&#8230; coses que s\u00f3n incomprensibles, que es mouen en la vida d&#8217;una persona, d&#8217;una fam\u00edlia, d&#8217;una comunitat com una ombra. En parar taula, en celebrar un aniversari, en cridar un gol en una copa del m\u00f3n que ser\u00e0 ofrenada als genocides. Vam ser nens &#8220;argenmex&#8221;, inaugurem una nova identitat, buscant en els nostres gestos recuperar peces d&#8217;una fotografia trencada, d&#8217;un mapa que havia perdut sentit, d&#8217;un anhel de vida que es va truncar per sempre.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Un judici com el de 1983-85 repara d&#8217;alguna manera el dolor personal i nacional, serveix per a recuperar la mem\u00f2ria i els drets humans?<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">El judici que l&#8217;Estat argent\u00ed engega en nom de la societat \u00e9s un proc\u00e9s in\u00e8dit en termes que sigui, davant la pr\u00f2pia societat, que els criminals han de rendir comptes.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Si aix\u00f2 repara el dolor no ho crec. El dolor \u00e9s irreparable. En tot cas alleuja el sofriment de pensar que, en algun punt, va existir almenys un acord social que va dignificar la mem\u00f2ria dient p\u00fablicament que crims aberrants no romandrien impunes.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Qu\u00e8 vas sentir quan en 1989 i 1990, el president Carlos Sa\u00fal Menem va signar els indults de Videla, Massera, Viola, Lambruschini i Agosti?<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">El que lamentablement tantes vegades sentim davant la forma en la qual la just\u00edcia als nostres pa\u00efsos actua: que aquesta, respon m\u00e9s als interessos de sectors hegem\u00f2nics del poder que a la responsabilitat de vetllar per l&#8217;exist\u00e8ncia de l&#8217;Estat de dret.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Qu\u00e8 opines de les Lleis de Punt Final i d&#8217;Obedi\u00e8ncia Deguda?<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Penso que \u00e9s un cap\u00edtol m\u00e9s de la forma en la qual figures triades per a representar la voluntat popular la traeixen, desoint al poble que s&#8217;expressa en aquell moment als carrers. Alfons\u00edn, com tants altres personatges de la nostra hist\u00f2ria, va cedir davant les amenaces colpistes un espai que no era negociable i que fins al dia d&#8217;avui t\u00e9 costos per al pa\u00eds.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>A m\u00e9s de tortures, assassinats i menyspreu pels drets humans m\u00e9s elementals, la pr\u00e0ctica de la desaparici\u00f3 for\u00e7ada de persones era habitual durant els anys de la dictadura militar argentina. Es calcula que es van segrestar unes 30.000 persones, moltes de les quals segueixen desaparegudes. L&#8217;organitzaci\u00f3 de drets humans HIJOS (Hijos e Hijas por la Identidad y la Justicia contra el Olvido y el Silencio) sorgeix per a restituir aquesta mem\u00f2ria i contra la impunitat dels qui el van causar?<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">HIJOS sorgeix com una necessitat dels qui ho iniciem, un grapat de gent a mitjans dels anys 90, de trobar-nos amb els qui havien viscut hist\u00f2ries similars, les quals, moltes vegades, no havien ni tan sols pogut ser compartides, dites amb franquesa, i escoltades per iguals, amb els qui donar-se un espai segur i afectiu per a compartir preguntes, dolors, lluites, en la cerca de la nostra pr\u00f2pia identitat.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Las Madres de la Plaza de Mayo \u00e9s una associaci\u00f3 que es crea durant la dictadura de Videla. Qu\u00e8 representen a l&#8217;Argentina i al m\u00f3n i quin paper han tingut en els judicis als responsables de la dictadura i en el restabliment de la democr\u00e0cia a l&#8217;Argentina?<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Aix\u00ed com els judicis van ser una manera de dir-li al m\u00f3n &#8220;tamb\u00e9 aix\u00f2 podem ser&#8221;, les Mares i les \u00c0vies s\u00f3n el punt d&#8217;inici dels principis de Mem\u00f2ria, Veritat i Just\u00edcia. Sense el valor d&#8217;elles de sortir als carrers en dictadura a fer front als fusells, de denunciar en qualsevol f\u00f2rum, micr\u00f2fon i espai de testimoniatge on fos possible, res del que avui continua succeint en els tribunals, a les escoles, en les lluites i milit\u00e0ncies de l&#8217;Argentina s&#8217;hagu\u00e9s donat de la mateixa manera.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Has vist la pel\u00b7l\u00edcula Argentina, 1985, dirigida per Santiago Mitre i creus que contribueix a reparar el dolor i a fomentar la mem\u00f2ria hist\u00f2rica?<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">S\u00ed, vaig veure la pel\u00b7l\u00edcula fa algunes setmanes. Penso que el treball de Mitre \u00e9s important. Fonamentalment perqu\u00e8 \u00e9s una ficci\u00f3. Jo em dedico al teatre, i com ell, conto hist\u00f2ries. Entenc que trobar formes est\u00e8tiques de narrar experi\u00e8ncies per a les quals les paraules, paradoxalment falten i sobren al mateix temps, \u00e9s una eina per a poder posar sobre la taula temes enfront dels que moltes vegades, per la seva complexitat, la societat (i aqu\u00ed em refereixo a qualsevol trama social, des d&#8217;un pa\u00eds fins a una fam\u00edlia), hi passa de llarg o les evita. Crec tamb\u00e9 que les hist\u00f2ries necess\u00e0ries de les quals ens desentenem sempre tornen, de maneres destructives: tumors, conflictes, guerres.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Em sembla per tant que, si en alguna cosa podem aportar des de la cultura, \u00e9s en dur a la conversa aquests temes per a abordar-los des d&#8217;altres perspectives.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>La teva vida i tantes vides s&#8217;han centrat en reparar la injust\u00edcia soferta. Has sentit incomprensi\u00f3 o falta de coneixement dels fets al llarg d&#8217;aquests anys de lluita?<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">No s\u00e9 si la meva vida s&#8217;ha centrat en reparar, la vaig vivint el millor que puc. Entenent que vinc d&#8217;una hist\u00f2ria i que \u00e9s una her\u00e8ncia a vegades exemplar i inspiradora, a vegades un equipatge pesat i que part de la meva tasca \u00e9s preguntar-me com transmetre als que venen despr\u00e9s de nosaltres uns certs valors que considero essencials.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Recomanaries altres pel\u00b7l\u00edcules o documentals per a entendre l&#8217;abast del terror i les atrocitats comeses pels militars argentins durant la dictadura?<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Inf\u00e0ncia Clandestina de <strong>Benjam\u00edn \u00c1vila<\/strong>. Els treballs d&#8217;<strong>Albertina Carri<\/strong> i de <strong>Lola Arias<\/strong>.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>L&#8217;exili ajuda a superar les traum\u00e0tiques situacions viscudes en el propi pa\u00eds?<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Crec que hi ha diferents aspectes de l&#8217;exili: un que \u00e9s el desterrament, aix\u00f2 \u00e9s el fet d&#8217;estar fora del propi territori anhelant un permanent retorn. El que succeeix \u00e9s que, en la dist\u00e0ncia, all\u00f2 a qu\u00e8 es vol tornar es congela en un record idealitzat i poc t\u00e9 a veure amb all\u00f2 que \u00e9s realment el lloc que es va deixar o del qual es va ser expulsat. Aquest &#8220;mentrestant&#8221;, aquest viure amb la maleta llesta de manera provis\u00f2ria, pot ser molt nociu. Est\u00e0 l&#8217;altre aspecte de l&#8217;exili, que \u00e9s el mestissatge, l&#8217;integrar-se al nou territori, resignificar-lo i tornar-se un pont entre l&#8217;un i l&#8217;altre. Aquesta experi\u00e8ncia en canvi em sembla fonamental de la nostra identitat i la nostra caracter\u00edstica m\u00e9s determinant.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Pablo Gershanik. @Daniele Finzi Pasca<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Entrevista amb Pablo Gershanik a partir de la pel\u00b7l\u00edcula Argentina, 1985 (director Santiago Mitre, 2022)<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":103,"featured_media":38952,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[26506],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-70341","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-cinema"],"yoast_head":"<!-- This site is optimized with the Yoast SEO plugin v27.8 - https:\/\/yoast.com\/product\/yoast-seo-wordpress\/ -->\n<title>&quot;Argentina, 1985&quot; | La Independent<\/title>\n<meta name=\"description\" content=\"Entrevista amb Pablo Gershanik a partir de 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