{"id":66095,"date":"2018-04-25T20:40:02","date_gmt":"2018-04-25T18:40:02","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/laindependent.cat\/bernat-escudero-qles-politiques-de-genere-han-dincloure-a-dones-i-homesq\/"},"modified":"2023-02-25T00:02:07","modified_gmt":"2023-02-24T23:02:07","slug":"bernat-escudero-qles-politiques-de-genere-han-dincloure-a-dones-i-homesq","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/laindependent.cat\/en\/bernat-escudero-qles-politiques-de-genere-han-dincloure-a-dones-i-homesq\/","title":{"rendered":"Bernat Escudero: &#8220;Les pol\u00edtiques de g\u00e8nere han d&#8217;incloure a dones i homes&#8221;"},"content":{"rendered":"<p style=\"text-align: left;\"><span style=\"font-family: 'trebuchet ms', geneva; font-size: 10pt;\"><\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><span style=\"font-family: 'trebuchet ms', geneva; font-size: 8pt;\">Bernat Escudero.<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: left;\"><strong><span style=\"font-family: 'trebuchet ms', geneva; font-size: 10pt;\">ESPECIAL POL\u00cdTIQUES DE G\u00c8NERE<\/span><\/strong><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: left;\"><strong><span style=\"font-family: 'trebuchet ms', geneva; font-size: 10pt;\">&#8220;Hist\u00f2ricament els homes han tra\u00eft a les dones, \u00e9s normal que hi hagi desconfian\u00e7a&#8221;, afirma el president d&#8217; Homes Igualitaris de Catalunya en una entrevista amb La Independent.<\/span><\/strong><\/p>\n<p><!--more--><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: left;\"><span style=\"font-family: 'trebuchet ms', geneva; font-size: 10pt;\">\u00c9s T\u00e8cnic d&#8217;Orientaci\u00f3 Laboral, aix\u00ed ho diu en un dels seus perfils socials, per\u00f2 <strong>Bernat Escudero<\/strong> \u00e9s molt m\u00e9s conegut per la seva tasca militant des de l&#8217;associaci\u00f3 que presideix a Catalunya i que forma part de l&#8217;Asociaci\u00f3n de Hombres por la Igualdad de G\u00e9nero ja en l&#8217; \u00e0mbit estatal.<\/span><br \/><span style=\"font-family: 'trebuchet ms', geneva; font-size: 10pt;\"><\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: left;\"><span style=\"font-family: 'trebuchet ms', geneva; font-size: 10pt;\">Des d&#8217;aquesta posici\u00f3 de representaci\u00f3, Escudero t\u00e9 diverses entrevistes en el seu haver, ja que en una societat predominantment masclista no \u00e9s com\u00fa que un home es digui feminista i que busqui la igualtat de g\u00e8nere, encara que no necess\u00e0riament des d&#8217;un discurs feminista convencional. Va acceptar conversar amb aquest mitj\u00e0 de comunicaci\u00f3 telef\u00f2nicament.<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: left;\">\u00a0<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: left;\"><strong><span style=\"font-family: 'trebuchet ms', geneva; font-size: 10pt;\">Quines creu vost\u00e8 que s\u00f3n les pol\u00edtiques de g\u00e8nere m\u00e9s importants que s&#8217;haurien d&#8217;aplicar?<\/span><\/strong><br \/><span style=\"font-family: 'trebuchet ms', geneva; font-size: 10pt;\"><\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: left;\"><span style=\"font-family: 'trebuchet ms', geneva; font-size: 10pt;\">Per parlar de pol\u00edtiques de g\u00e8nere, abans em pregunto quin tipus de concepte d&#8217;igualtat de g\u00e8nere estem entenent?, perqu\u00e8 pot ser de moltes maneres. Per saber quines pol\u00edtiques d&#8217;igualtat de g\u00e8nere estem defensant, hem de preguntar-nos si es tracta d&#8217;igualtat d&#8217;oportunitats, de tracte, de pol\u00edtiques d&#8217;estat per a tothom, nom\u00e9s per a dones o per a totes les persones i les seves difer\u00e8ncies de g\u00e8nere.<\/span><br \/><span style=\"font-family: 'trebuchet ms', geneva; font-size: 10pt;\"><\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: left;\"><span style=\"font-family: 'trebuchet ms', geneva; font-size: 10pt;\">Nosaltres, des d&#8217; Homes Igualitaris, busquem pol\u00edtiques integrals pel que fa a pol\u00edtiques de g\u00e8nere per a homes i dones.<\/span><br \/><span style=\"font-family: 'trebuchet ms', geneva; font-size: 10pt;\"><\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: left;\"><span style=\"font-family: 'trebuchet ms', geneva; font-size: 10pt;\">Aix\u00f2 es pot entendre de moltes maneres. Hi ha pol\u00edtiques de g\u00e8nere que no defensen ni tan sols la igualtat, altres busquen principalment promocionar a les dones. Entenc que s&#8217;han de fer per a tots dos g\u00e8neres.<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: left;\">\u00a0<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: left;\"><strong><span style=\"font-family: 'trebuchet ms', geneva; font-size: 10pt;\">Des del seu punt de vista, qu\u00e8 significa la igualtat de g\u00e8nere per als homes?<\/span><\/strong><br \/><span style=\"font-family: 'trebuchet ms', geneva; font-size: 10pt;\"><\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: left;\"><span style=\"font-family: 'trebuchet ms', geneva; font-size: 10pt;\">Quan parlem d&#8217;igualtat de g\u00e8nere cap al g\u00e8nere mascul\u00ed \u00e9s per transformar-lo. Transformar-lo en un sentit ampli de la paraula, per deixar de tenir les tradicionals actituds que es relacionen amb el masclisme, \u00e9s a dir per a transformar-lo en aquest rol.<\/span><br \/><span style=\"font-family: 'trebuchet ms', geneva; font-size: 10pt;\"><\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: left;\"><span style=\"font-family: 'trebuchet ms', geneva; font-size: 10pt;\">Jo defenso pol\u00edtiques d&#8217;igualtat que integrin la perspectiva d&#8217;igualtat per a tots dos, per transformar els homes cap a nous rols masculins.<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: left;\">\u00a0<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: left;\"><strong><span style=\"font-family: 'trebuchet ms', geneva; font-size: 10pt;\">Aix\u00ed, les pol\u00edtiques de g\u00e8nere com s&#8217;han d&#8217;aplicar?<\/span><\/strong><br \/><span style=\"font-family: 'trebuchet ms', geneva; font-size: 10pt;\"><\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: left;\"><span style=\"font-family: 'trebuchet ms', geneva; font-size: 10pt;\">Hi ha moltes pol\u00edtiques possibles. A nivell de l&#8217;Estat, per exemple, hi ha una compet\u00e8ncia referida als permisos i llic\u00e8ncies laborals en el cas de tenir descend\u00e8ncia, ja sigui fill biol\u00f2gic o per adopci\u00f3. Aquestes pol\u00edtiques estan dirigides cap a les dones que viuen l&#8217;embar\u00e0s, que requereixen recuperaci\u00f3 del part, i que s&#8217;apliquen tant si han parit o igualment si hi ha adopci\u00f3, i que hauria de ser de m\u00e9s temps si \u00e9s que no hi ha pare\u00a0 o amb qui compartir les responsabilitats.<\/span><br \/><span style=\"font-family: 'trebuchet ms', geneva; font-size: 10pt;\"><\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: left;\"><span style=\"font-family: 'trebuchet ms', geneva; font-size: 10pt;\">En aquest cas, crec que es va fer una pol\u00edtica de g\u00e8nere hist\u00f2rica perqu\u00e8 les dones tinguin m\u00e9s temps, per exemple 16 setmanes, mentre que per als homes o era gens o era menys. Avui aquestes llic\u00e8ncies estan establertes en cinc setmanes per als homes. Nosaltres creiem que per a tots dos hauria de ser equivalent perqu\u00e8 aix\u00f2 ajuda a transformar els rols de paternitat.<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: left;\"><span style=\"font-family: 'trebuchet ms', geneva; font-size: 10pt;\"><\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: left;\">\u00a0<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><span style=\"font-family: 'trebuchet ms', geneva; font-size: 10pt;\"><img fetchpriority=\"high\" decoding=\"async\" class=\" size-full wp-image-34585\" style=\"margin: 9px; vertical-align: middle;\" src=\"https:\/\/laindependent.cat\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/04\/genero-bernat_escudero.JPG\" alt=\"genero-bernat escudero\" width=\"350\" height=\"242\" srcset=\"https:\/\/laindependent.cat\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/04\/genero-bernat_escudero.JPG 368w, https:\/\/laindependent.cat\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/04\/genero-bernat_escudero-300x207.jpg 300w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 350px) 100vw, 350px\" \/><\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: left;\">\u00a0<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: left;\"><strong><span style=\"font-family: 'trebuchet ms', geneva; font-size: 10pt;\"><\/span><\/strong><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: left;\"><strong><span style=\"font-family: 'trebuchet ms', geneva; font-size: 10pt;\">Amb aquesta pol\u00edtica no es beneficia nom\u00e9s als homes?<\/span><\/strong><br \/><span style=\"font-family: 'trebuchet ms', geneva; font-size: 10pt;\"><\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: left;\"><span style=\"font-family: 'trebuchet ms', geneva; font-size: 10pt;\">Ben al contrari, nosaltres ho anomenem perspectiva integral de g\u00e8nere perqu\u00e8 est\u00e0 destinada a donar suport tamb\u00e9 a les dones.<\/span><br \/><span style=\"font-family: 'trebuchet ms', geneva; font-size: 10pt;\"><\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: left;\"><span style=\"font-family: 'trebuchet ms', geneva; font-size: 10pt;\">L&#8217;efecte que t\u00e9 aquesta mesura va m\u00e9s enll\u00e0 dels permisos i el temps que poden tenir mare i pare per compartir la cura de la descend\u00e8ncia, ja que els seus efectes es reflectirien en el mercat laboral. En ser igualit\u00e0ria la mesura, en el lloc de treball no es discriminaria tant a les dones com ara, en qu\u00e8 els homes gaudeixen d&#8217; acc\u00e9s al treball i de promoci\u00f3 en ell per aquest motiu. A l&#8217;acollir-se al perm\u00eds igual que la dona, equilibraria l&#8217;est\u00e0ndard.<\/span><br \/><span style=\"font-family: 'trebuchet ms', geneva; font-size: 10pt;\"><\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: left;\"><span style=\"font-family: 'trebuchet ms', geneva; font-size: 10pt;\">\u00c9s un exemple d&#8217;igualtat de g\u00e8nere per a tots dos, integrant a les dones i als homes amb una incid\u00e8ncia social important.<\/span><br \/><span style=\"font-family: 'trebuchet ms', geneva; font-size: 10pt;\"><\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: left;\"><span style=\"font-family: 'trebuchet ms', geneva; font-size: 10pt;\">A m\u00e9s, tampoc cal oblidar que d&#8217;aquesta manera s&#8217;eliminaria tamb\u00e9 la discriminaci\u00f3 que existeix si hi ha dos pares o dues mares.<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: left;\">\u00a0<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: left;\"><strong><span style=\"font-family: 'trebuchet ms', geneva; font-size: 10pt;\">Com s&#8217;apliquen pol\u00edtiques de g\u00e8nere igualit\u00e0ries, com vost\u00e9 les anomena, en el cas de viol\u00e8ncia masclista?<\/span><\/strong><br \/><span style=\"font-family: 'trebuchet ms', geneva; font-size: 10pt;\"><\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: left;\"><span style=\"font-family: 'trebuchet ms', geneva; font-size: 10pt;\">En cas de viol\u00e8ncia, les pol\u00edtiques no han de ser nom\u00e9s punitives, sin\u00f3 tamb\u00e9 tenir en compte el perqu\u00e8 del que passa, per qu\u00e8 ho fan, i tractar de treballar amb aquests homes. \u00c9s a dir, fer m\u00e9s pol\u00edtica preventiva tenint en compte que vivim en una societat masclista que crea homes masclistes.<\/span><br \/><span style=\"font-family: 'trebuchet ms', geneva; font-size: 10pt;\"><\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: left;\"><span style=\"font-family: 'trebuchet ms', geneva; font-size: 10pt;\">Tot passa per l&#8217;educaci\u00f3 prim\u00e0ria i tot el proc\u00e9s educatiu, en una societat on es fomenta la competitivitat i la viol\u00e8ncia masculina. \u00c9s all\u00e0 on cal comen\u00e7ar, s&#8217;ha de fer un treball m\u00e9s complet i integral.<\/span><br \/><span style=\"font-family: 'trebuchet ms', geneva; font-size: 10pt;\"><\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: left;\"><span style=\"font-family: 'trebuchet ms', geneva; font-size: 10pt;\">La Llei contra la viol\u00e8ncia de g\u00e8nere est\u00e0 molt b\u00e9, per\u00f2 s&#8217;ha oblidat el treball amb els homes perqu\u00e8 el sistema en qu\u00e8 vivim promou el fet que siguem violents, llavors l&#8217;home o b\u00e9 no ho sap o b\u00e9 est\u00e0 conven\u00e7ut que no \u00e9s violent amb la seva parella perqu\u00e8 la societat, des de moltes fonts, li est\u00e0 dient que aix\u00f2 \u00e9s normal.<\/span><br \/><span style=\"font-family: 'trebuchet ms', geneva; font-size: 10pt;\"><\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: left;\"><span style=\"font-family: 'trebuchet ms', geneva; font-size: 10pt;\">\u00c9s molt complex, per aix\u00f2 no nom\u00e9s s&#8217;ha d&#8217; atendre la part punitiva, que cal per descomptat, sin\u00f3 que tamb\u00e9 \u00e9s necessari que hi hagi prevenci\u00f3.<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: left;\">\u00a0<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: left;\"><strong><span style=\"font-family: 'trebuchet ms', geneva; font-size: 10pt;\">A m\u00e9s de les escoles, on cal m\u00e9s prevenci\u00f3?<\/span><\/strong><br \/><span style=\"font-family: 'trebuchet ms', geneva; font-size: 10pt;\"><\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: left;\"><span style=\"font-family: 'trebuchet ms', geneva; font-size: 10pt;\">Aquesta prevenci\u00f3 s&#8217;ha de treballar en totes les facetes de la societat, en unes ja s&#8217;ha\u00a0 treballat millor que en altres. En l&#8217;esport, per exemple, no s&#8217;ha treballat gaireb\u00e9 res. Hi ha un gran impuls als homes per ser competitius, fins al punt d&#8217;arribar a ser violents. Se&#8217;ls educa en aix\u00f2, en guanyar i comportar-se com a homes violents i no com nenes que no saben competir.<\/span><br \/><span style=\"font-family: 'trebuchet ms', geneva; font-size: 10pt;\"><\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: left;\"><span style=\"font-family: 'trebuchet ms', geneva; font-size: 10pt;\">En l&#8217;educaci\u00f3 esportiva aix\u00f2 encara es d\u00f3na, comportar-se com nena \u00e9s ser feble i no pertoca. Aix\u00f2 se sap en els entrenaments i vestuaris, en tots els esports, i s&#8217; hauria d&#8217; eradicar, en el fons s&#8217;est\u00e0 transmetent la idea que ser noia \u00e9s ser feble.<\/span><br \/><span style=\"font-family: 'trebuchet ms', geneva; font-size: 10pt;\"><\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: left;\"><span style=\"font-family: 'trebuchet ms', geneva; font-size: 10pt;\">Per aix\u00f2, les pol\u00edtiques de g\u00e8nere han de tenir una perspectiva integral en totes les facetes de la societat i no sempre ha de ser id\u00e8ntica en totes per a homes i dones perqu\u00e8 cadascuna t\u00e9 les seves caracter\u00edstiques. En alguns casos s\u00ed, com la maternitat i paternitat.<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: left;\">\u00a0<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: left;\"><strong><span style=\"font-family: 'trebuchet ms', geneva; font-size: 10pt;\">Els homes tenen molts privilegis, qu\u00e8 cal fer per canviar aix\u00f2?<\/span><\/strong><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: left;\"><span style=\"font-family: 'trebuchet ms', geneva; font-size: 10pt;\">Tamb\u00e9 cal que els homes s&#8217;atreveixin a renunciar als privilegis, valorant altres espais, altres viv\u00e8ncies. Deixar el privilegi d&#8217;aconseguir un millor salari i rol laboral i gaudir de poder viure la paternitat des del primer dia, amb permisos iguals i intransferibles, aix\u00ed s&#8217;implicaria al fet que els homes estiguin igual que les dones, igualaria els salaris, es reduiria la discriminaci\u00f3 de g\u00e8nere, i els privilegis dels homes.<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: left;\">\u00a0<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: left;\"><strong><span style=\"font-family: 'trebuchet ms', geneva; font-size: 10pt;\">Qu\u00e8 pot o ha de fer la societat civil sobre aquest tema?<\/span><\/strong><br \/><span style=\"font-family: 'trebuchet ms', geneva; font-size: 10pt;\"><\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: left;\"><span style=\"font-family: 'trebuchet ms', geneva; font-size: 10pt;\">Des de les diferents organitzacions i representacions de la societat civil haur\u00edem d&#8217;estar m\u00e9s aliats entre homes i dones. Els homes hem d&#8217;estar m\u00e9s implicats, el nostre objectiu en l&#8217;associaci\u00f3 \u00e9s implicar m\u00e9s homes i tamb\u00e9 buscar que les dones confi\u00efn en nosaltres i que establim aliances entre nosaltres.<\/span><br \/><span style=\"font-family: 'trebuchet ms', geneva; font-size: 10pt;\"><\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: left;\"><span style=\"font-family: 'trebuchet ms', geneva; font-size: 10pt;\">Busquem parlar amb dones feministes per donar suport a les seves reivindicacions, que ens acullin, aix\u00ed com que sortim conjuntament per reivindicar-, que hi hagi m\u00e9s homes en aquesta lluita, aquesta \u00e9s la nostra funci\u00f3 i reivindicar-nos com a feministes tamb\u00e9.<\/span><br \/><span style=\"font-family: 'trebuchet ms', geneva; font-size: 10pt;\"><\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: left;\"><span style=\"font-family: 'trebuchet ms', geneva; font-size: 10pt;\">Treballar de forma aliada i m\u00fatua \u00e9s fins ara dif\u00edcil, nosaltres estem comen\u00e7ant a implicar-nos, perqu\u00e8 hist\u00f2ricament els homes han tra\u00eft a les dones, \u00e9s normal que hi hagi desconfian\u00e7a, per\u00f2 superant aquestes barreres \u00e9s el moment d&#8217;implicar-te.<\/span><br \/><span style=\"font-family: 'trebuchet ms', geneva; font-size: 10pt;\"><\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: left;\"><span style=\"font-family: 'trebuchet ms', geneva; font-size: 10pt;\">A mesura que anem actuant, qu\u00e8 hi hagi major coher\u00e8ncia amb el nostre discurs, hi haur\u00e0 m\u00e9s confian\u00e7a.<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: left;\">\u00a0<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: left;\"><strong><span style=\"font-family: 'trebuchet ms',geneva; font-size: 8pt;\">M\u00e9s informaci\u00f3:<\/span><\/strong><br \/><span style=\"font-size: 8pt;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/homesigualitaris.wordpress.com\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Homes Igualitaris de Catalunya<\/a><\/span><br \/><span style=\"font-family: 'trebuchet ms',geneva; font-size: 8pt;\"><br \/><\/span><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Bernat Escudero. 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