{"id":58935,"date":"2013-06-11T21:00:06","date_gmt":"2013-06-11T19:00:06","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/laindependent.cat\/hem-de-separar-la-religio-de-la-politica\/"},"modified":"2013-06-11T21:00:06","modified_gmt":"2013-06-11T19:00:06","slug":"hem-de-separar-la-religio-de-la-politica","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/laindependent.cat\/en\/hem-de-separar-la-religio-de-la-politica\/","title":{"rendered":"&#8216;Hem de separar la religi\u00f3 de la pol\u00edtica&#8217;"},"content":{"rendered":"<p style=\"text-align: left;\"><span style=\"font-family: trebuchet ms,geneva; font-size: 10pt;\"><b>Periodistes i activistes de les Primaveres \u00c0rabs afirmen que amb l&#8217;islam volen impedir que la dona accedeixi al poder perqu\u00e8 se la considera inferior<\/b><\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: left;\"><span style=\"font-family: trebuchet ms,geneva; font-size: 10pt;\">&#8216;Estem molt decebudes i molt enfadades&#8217; perqu\u00e8 despr\u00e9s de ser protagonistes en els carrers amb els joves, ara &#8216;se&#8217;ns vol excloure, fins i tot de la Constituci\u00f3&#8217;; nom\u00e9s constarem com a membres de la fam\u00edlia i no com a subjectes amb drets &#8216;, protestava la blocaire tunisiana\u00a0<b>Henda Chennaoui<\/b>. &#8216;No hi haur\u00e0 Primavera \u00c0rab sense la dona&#8217; afirmava l&#8217;activista eg\u00edpcia\u00a0<b>Dalia Ziada<\/b> perqu\u00e8 &#8216;ja est\u00e0vem preparant el cam\u00ed, sobretot en les comunitats i en les mesquites, per fer front a l&#8217;assetjament sexual, moral i pol\u00edtic&#8217; que patim.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: trebuchet ms,geneva; font-size: 10pt;\" \/> <\/p>\n<p><!--more--><\/p>\n<p><\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: left;\"><span style=\"font-family: trebuchet ms,geneva; font-size: 10pt;\">Aquestes i altres reflexions les van expressar les ponents d&#8217;una taula sobre el\u00a0<i>Paper de la dona en els processos democr\u00e0tics de les Primaveres \u00c0rabs<\/i>. Era un dels diversos panells que va reunir prop de 150 periodistes de les dues riberes de la Mediterr\u00e0nia convidats per la Uni\u00f3 Europea al seminari:\u00a0<i>&#8216;Relacions Euro-Mediterr\u00e0nies i les Primaveres \u00c0rabs, dos anys despr\u00e9s&#8217;<\/i>. La taula de dones va ser moderada per l&#8217;oficial del servei de premsa\u00a0<b>Paula Fern\u00e1ndez Herv\u00e1s<\/b>, que va observar immediatament que molts dels homes assistents havien sortit de la sala en iniciar-se aquest m\u00f2dul. Va obrir la sessi\u00f3\u00a0<b>Alberto Cortez\u00f3n<\/b> <b>G\u00f3mez<\/b>, responsable del<i> Programa de Ve\u00efnatge<\/i> amb la ribera sud, que va xifrar en 90 milions d&#8217;euros el suport europeu per a l&#8217;empoderament pol\u00edtic i econ\u00f2mic de la dona en aquests pa\u00efsos. Va seguir la directora d&#8217;UN Women a Brussel\u00b7les,\u00a0<b>Dagmar Schumacher<\/b>, que va lamentar: a) que la igualtat va en segon lloc despr\u00e9s de l&#8217;economia en aquests processos democr\u00e0tics, b) que estan repuntant els matrimonis for\u00e7ats i c) que els governs encara no han presentat els seus plans per incorporar a la dona en els processos de transici\u00f3, en aplicaci\u00f3 de la\u00a0<i>Resoluci\u00f3 1325<\/i> de les Nacions Unides. El <a target=\"_blank\" href=\"http:\/\/www.unwomen.org\/es\/2012\/10\/press-release-eu-commission-un-women-launch-new-partnership-on-womens-empowerment\/\" rel=\"noopener\">programa de la ONU-UE per a l&#8217; apoderament de les dones<\/a> inclou Tun\u00edsia, Egipte, Jord\u00e0nia, L\u00edbia, Palestina i Israel.<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: left;\"><span style=\"font-family: trebuchet ms,geneva; font-size: 10pt;\"><br \/><\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: left;\"><span style=\"font-family: trebuchet ms,geneva; font-size: 10pt;\"><\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><span style=\"font-family: trebuchet ms,geneva; font-size: 8pt;\">D&#8217;esquerra a dreta: Dalia Ziada, Le\u00efla Ghandi, Henda Chennaoui, Paula Fern\u00e1ndez Herv\u00e1s i Dagmar Schumacher<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: left;\"><span style=\"font-family: trebuchet ms,geneva; font-size: 10pt;\"><b>A Tun\u00edsia ens han confiscat la Revoluci\u00f3<\/b><\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: left;\"><span style=\"font-family: trebuchet ms,geneva; font-size: 10pt;\">&#8216;El problema de deb\u00f2 \u00e9s la religi\u00f3&#8217; perqu\u00e8 &#8216; l&#8217; islam considera la dona inferior a l&#8217;home i vol impedir que elles accedeixin al poder&#8217;, va explicar la tunisiana\u00a0<b>Henda Chennaoui<\/b> que, quan va llegir l&#8217;Alcor\u00e0 la va decebre, deia, perqu\u00e8 no valora a la dona i t\u00e9 m\u00faltiples interpretacions; \u2018necessitem un sistema que no depengui d&#8217;ambig\u00fcitats, ni divinitats &#8216;. En la seva opini\u00f3, s&#8217;hauria apartar la religi\u00f3 de la pol\u00edtica perqu\u00e8 &#8216;no existeix cap r\u00e8gim islamista moderat: l\u2019islam est\u00e0 en contra de la llibertat d&#8217;expressi\u00f3 i la igualtat&#8217;. A Tun\u00edsia va prosseguir, \u2018ens han confiscat la Revoluci\u00f3 per\u00f2 tamb\u00e9 ens ha decebut l&#8217;oposici\u00f3&#8217;; a m\u00e8s \u2018la societat civil \u00e9s conservadora &#8216;, continuava\u00a0<b>Chennaoui<\/b>. &#8216;No hi ha progressistes, ni llibertat d&#8217;expressi\u00f3; ens han anul\u00b7lat les restriccions a la polig\u00e0mia i les activistas -com\u00a0<b>Amina<\/b>&#8211; estan sent fustigades&#8217;&#8230;<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: left;\"><span style=\"font-family: trebuchet ms,geneva; font-size: 10pt;\">&#8216;Les idees sobre la democr\u00e0cia no estan gens clares&#8217; va afirmar amb rotunditat aquesta blocaire; &#8216;cal definir qu\u00e8 s&#8217;ent\u00e9n per democr\u00e0cia&#8217; perqu\u00e8 &#8216;s&#8217;han com\u00e8s errors en les Primaveres \u00c0rabs i\u00a0<i>les agendes ocultes<\/i> dels islamistes s&#8217;han revelat un cop han arribat al poder\u2019. Ho veiem a Turquia, va continuar\u00a0<b>Chennaoui,<\/b> per tant, &#8216;cal preservar la la\u00efcitat, els drets humans i les idees de (<b>Mustafa Kemal<\/b>)\u00a0<b>Atat\u00fcrk &#8211;<\/b>fundador i primer president de la Rep\u00fablica de Turquia, despr\u00e9s del desmembrament de l&#8217;Imperi Otom\u00e0. &#8216;Jo vull un Estat laic per tenir democr\u00e0cia&#8217;, va subratllat. Ara \u2018Turquia t\u00e9 una deriva autorit\u00e0ria, no es fixin en aquest model&#8217;, va alertar a l&#8217;assist\u00e8ncia \u00e0rab. <br \/><\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: left;\"><span style=\"font-family: trebuchet ms,geneva; font-size: 10pt;\">&#8216;Jo s\u00f3c marroquina, mediterr\u00e0nia, \u00e0rab, magreb\u00edna i musulmana; tinc una identitat mixta i variada&#8217; va afirmar\u00a0<b>Le\u00efla Ghandi<\/b>, executiva d&#8217;una empresa de Marroc, l&#8217;opini\u00f3 de la qual era que &#8216;la primavera \u00e0rab ha degenerat en una\u00a0<i>tardor islamista&#8217;<\/i>. Ella suggeria que s&#8217;ha de \u2018acceptar el pluralisme i la diversitat\u2019 i que &#8220;al sud de la Mediterr\u00e0nia s&#8217;ha d&#8217;apropar als valors universals dels Drets Humans&#8217;, fins i tot, amb imposicions.\u00a0<b>Ghandi<\/b> va considerar que els intercanvis estan b\u00e9 per\u00f2 que &#8216;la Uni\u00f3 Europea hauria de pressionar m\u00e9s amb mesures i establir algunes alertes&#8217; perqu\u00e8 aquesta &#8216;fase transit\u00f2ria en els processos democr\u00e0tics \u00e9s molt important\u2019. En una de les rondes del debat es va subratllar que l&#8217;Educaci\u00f3 \u00e9s imprescindible, per\u00f2 requereix temps, perqu\u00e8 la societat va menys r\u00e0pida que les lleis. En aquest sentit,<b>Le\u00efla Ghandi<\/b> preguntava: i qu\u00e8 fem, mentrestant, per transmetre els conceptes i valors democr\u00e0tics de l&#8217;Estat de dret? La seva resposta va ser que s&#8217;han de &#8216;aplicar<i> quotes de discriminaci\u00f3 positiva<\/i>: dos anys com a Tanz\u00e0nia&#8217;, perqu\u00e8 les dones aconsegueixin espais pol\u00edtics, mentre arriben (o no) les condicions id\u00f2nies per a la igualtat.\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><span style=\"font-family: trebuchet ms,geneva; font-size: 10pt;\">\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 <\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: left;\"><span style=\"font-family: trebuchet ms,geneva; font-size: 10pt;\"><img fetchpriority=\"high\" decoding=\"async\" class=\" size-full wp-image-28813\" style=\"margin: 9px auto; display: block;\" alt=\"Foto2_Bruselas_UE_ArabSprings_Comic\" src=\"https:\/\/laindependent.cat\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/06\/Foto2_Bruselas_UE_ArabSprings_Comic.jpg\" height=\"333\" width=\"250\" srcset=\"https:\/\/laindependent.cat\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/06\/Foto2_Bruselas_UE_ArabSprings_Comic.jpg 480w, https:\/\/laindependent.cat\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/06\/Foto2_Bruselas_UE_ArabSprings_Comic-225x300.jpg 225w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 250px) 100vw, 250px\" \/><\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: left;\"><span style=\"font-family: trebuchet ms,geneva; font-size: 10pt;\">\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><span style=\"font-family: trebuchet ms,geneva; font-size: 10pt;\"><span style=\"font-size: 8pt;\">C\u00f3mic  de l&#8217;activista tuniciana <strong>Nadia Khiari, <\/strong>el gat de la qual, Willi,  discuteix amb el\u00a0barbut sobre la mutilaci\u00f3 genital femenina i n&#8217;hi  planteja una de masculina.<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: left;\">\u00a0<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: left;\"><span style=\"font-family: trebuchet ms,geneva; font-size: 10pt;\"><b>Egipte segon pa\u00eds del m\u00f3n en assetjament sexual<\/b><\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: left;\"><span style=\"font-family: trebuchet ms,geneva; font-size: 10pt;\">L&#8217;eg\u00edpcia\u00a0<b>Dalia Ziada <\/b>va ratificar que, en efecte, la sala estava mig buida i &#8216;falten els nostres col\u00b7legues homes&#8217;, per\u00f2 han de saber que \u2018no hi haur\u00e0 Primavera \u00c0rab sense les dones&#8217;, tot i que \u2018la lluita \u00e9s dura en la vida social i la quotidiana i se&#8217;ns vulgui marginar, com ho demostra l\u2019<a target=\"_blank\" href=\"http:\/\/www.weforum.org\/issues\/global-gender-gap\" rel=\"noopener\">Informe del\u00a0<i>Global Gender Gap<\/i><\/a>: Egipte consta en el primer lloc per la manca de suport econ\u00f2mic a les dones emprenedores i est\u00e0 classificat com el segon pa\u00eds del m\u00f3n, despr\u00e9s Afganistan, pels alts \u00edndexs d&#8217;assetjament sexual a les dones.\u00a0<b>Ziada<\/b> va recordar que \u2018l&#8217;assetjament f\u00edsic i sexual va ser un revulsiu per a les protestes&#8217; per\u00f2 tamb\u00e9 va ser &#8216;un germen per a la Revoluci\u00f3&#8217; al seu pa\u00eds.<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: left;\"><span style=\"font-family: trebuchet ms,geneva; font-size: 10pt;\"><b>Ziada<\/b>, que es va presentar sense \u00e8xit a les eleccions de 2012 &#8211; &#8216;perqu\u00e8 ens falta experi\u00e8ncia en la participaci\u00f3 pol\u00edtica i la presa de decisiones&#8217;- va considerar important l&#8217;Educaci\u00f3 per\u00f2 sobretot les quotes. Ella considera que el Parlament Europeu hauria de pressionar perqu\u00e8 s&#8217;incloguessin en els seus pa\u00efsos, ja que s\u00f3n importants per a tothom. A nosaltres &#8216;ens fan mal les mans de tant votar&#8217; afeg\u00ed, per\u00f2 encara &#8216;no sabem qui parla en nom de les dones des de l&#8217;organitzaci\u00f3 dels Germans Musulmans&#8217;; algunes vam votar per l&#8217;actual president\u00a0<b>&#8216;Mohamed Morsi<\/b> perqu\u00e8 no sab\u00edem que a &#8216;la dona nom\u00e9s li dedicarien un article de la Constituci\u00f3 i \u00e9s per la seva funci\u00f3 biol\u00f2gica de mare &#8216;, no pol\u00edticament, va lamentar. Per\u00f2 aquesta\u00a0<i>&#8216;mentalitat patriarcal<\/i> \u00e9s la que ens mant\u00e9 unides&#8217; i, segons ella, hi ha &#8216;bons senyals: 1) les dones seguim lluitant pels drets, 2) els mitjans de comunicaci\u00f3 estan dinamitzant el debat, 3) la societat ens d\u00f3na suport i 4) els intercanvis amb la Uni\u00f3 Europea, segueixen\u2019 va afirmar. Tenim molts reptes, per\u00f2 que no s&#8217;estengui el p\u00e0nic, animaba.<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: left;\"><span style=\"font-family: trebuchet ms,geneva; font-size: 10pt;\"><br \/><\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: left;\"><span style=\"font-family: trebuchet ms,geneva; font-size: 10pt;\"><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-28814 lazyload\" data-src=\"https:\/\/laindependent.cat\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/06\/Foto3_Bruselas_UE_ArabSprings_dones3.jpg\" alt=\"Foto3_Bruselas_UE_ArabSprings_dones3\" style=\"--smush-placeholder-width: 357px; --smush-placeholder-aspect-ratio: 357\/268;margin: 9px auto; vertical-align: middle; display: block;\" height=\"268\" width=\"357\" data-srcset=\"https:\/\/laindependent.cat\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/06\/Foto3_Bruselas_UE_ArabSprings_dones3.jpg 640w, https:\/\/laindependent.cat\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/06\/Foto3_Bruselas_UE_ArabSprings_dones3-300x225.jpg 300w\" data-sizes=\"(max-width: 357px) 100vw, 357px\" src=\"data:image\/svg+xml;base64,PHN2ZyB3aWR0aD0iMSIgaGVpZ2h0PSIxIiB4bWxucz0iaHR0cDovL3d3dy53My5vcmcvMjAwMC9zdmciPjwvc3ZnPg==\" \/><\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><span style=\"font-family: trebuchet ms,geneva; font-size: 8pt;\"><strong>Nadia Khiari<\/strong>\u00a0a l&#8217;esquerra en una altra de les sessions. Les seves tires c\u00f2miques amb el gat Willi reflexen molts dels debats de la Revoluci\u00f3 tunisiana<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: left;\">\u00a0<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: left;\"><span style=\"font-family: trebuchet ms,geneva; font-size: 10pt;\"><b>Informacions sobre altres pa\u00efsos Mediterranis<\/b><\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: left;\"><span style=\"font-family: trebuchet ms,geneva; font-size: 10pt;\">A L\u00edbia hi va haver llistes parit\u00e0ries, de manera que moltes dones van participar a les primeres eleccions en 60 anys d&#8217;hist\u00f2ria. Per\u00f2 aix\u00f2 no va ser gratis, segons un dels dos periodistes libis, homes, participants: les dones es manifestaven tots els dissabtes despr\u00e9s de les matances de 1976 i les primeres reunions el 2011 les van organitzar elles. &#8216;Aix\u00f2 va ser un xoc&#8217;. &#8216;Al Parlament libi hi ha 33 dones perqu\u00e8 la legislaci\u00f3 ho obliga, si no, no hi hauria cap\u2019. Cal tenir-ho en compte &#8216;va assenyalat aquest periodista. El segon va afegir per\u00f2 que no autoritzen a les dones en algunes funcions p\u00fabliques com jutgesses i advocades.<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: left;\"><span style=\"font-family: trebuchet ms,geneva; font-size: 10pt;\">Els periodistes palestins van recordar que mentre Israel segueixi ocupant Palestina les dones no seran lliures d&#8217;abusos, atropellaments i vexacions, com les eg\u00edpcies, per\u00f2 alhora van assenyalar que tamb\u00e9 pateixen la discriminaci\u00f3 del grup islamista Ham\u00e0s, que limita els seus drets.<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: left;\"><span style=\"font-family: trebuchet ms,geneva; font-size: 10pt;\">Cal canviar la mentalitat i els estereotips respecte a les dones, va concloure\u00a0<b>Alberto Cortez\u00f3n<\/b>; &#8216;els marits no les deixen treballar, per\u00f2 aix\u00f2 passa tamb\u00e9 a Europa\u2019, afirmar. L&#8217;educaci\u00f3 \u00e9s molt important, per\u00f2 &#8216;les dones tamb\u00e9 han de preparar-se i capacitar-se per les eleccions&#8217;.\u00a0<b>Paula Fern\u00e1ndez<\/b> va finalitzar resumint que, sense dones no hi ha Revoluci\u00f3, per\u00f2 sense homes tampoc i, a la vista de la fugida de molts dels de la sala, &#8216;la lli\u00e7o \u00e9s que cal introduir quotes&#8217;.<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: left;\"><span style=\"font-family: trebuchet ms,geneva; font-size: 10pt;\"><b>Silvia Costa<\/b>, responsable de l&#8217;i<a target=\"_blank\" href=\"http:\/\/www.europarl.europa.eu\/sides\/getDoc.do?pubRef=-\/\/EP\/\/TEXT+REPORT+A7-2013-0047+0+DOC+XML+V0\/\/ES\" rel=\"noopener\">nforme sobre\u00a0<i>La situaci\u00f3 de la dona al Nord d&#8217;\u00c0frica<\/i><\/a>, es va incorporar al final al debat.<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: left;\"><b><br \/><\/b><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Periodistes i activistes de les Primaveres \u00c0rabs 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